Looking to buy an xbox 360 slim?

[killer 2]

i may just get a jasper *sigh* no wireless N

[Superxpdude]

Okay. Is a Jasper the old one?

[Naked Crook]

Wireless topologies suck anyways. Move your router and modem. Jasper was the newest unit on the market, using a 65 mm chip ion both the CPU and GPU

[killer 2]

older than the slim

[the noble e]

Wonder if the slim can still can get the red ring?

[Atomicassasin12]

Originally Posted by YOUR VIDEO Problem solved!! Xbox 360 is fixed no more lines and dots etc... It was overheating because my wii was blocking the vents. Thanks for the help :D Yeah, it sure was the xbox being faulty. There was another video around where a slim 360 bricked, but it was probably due to a faulty power supply. So don't go buy the slim 360s just yet, but it isn't a RROD, well at least not at the moment. Originally Posted by the noble e Wonder if the slim can still can get the red ring? It doesn't have the four LEDs around it, so it cannot display the RROD. EDIT: Well I failed, it does have the LEDs, but it didn't show the RROD in either video of I have seen of a console failure.

[Naked Crook]

But it can still suffer from the cause of RROD. They still have the xClamps on the board.

[Atomicassasin12]

Originally Posted by Naked Crook But it can still suffer from the cause of RROD. They still have the xClamps on the board. There is only one clamp and it is used to hold on the cooler for the GPU and CPU (and the cooler actually looks like it does something). Since the GPU and CPU are combined there is less heat generated. And just because most chipsets suck doesn't mean that they all do.

[Naked Crook]

LOL...you guys really don't get this stuff. Alright, I have spent a good three years fixing and repairing Xbox 360s (not to mention my years of experiences as a Computer scientist) and I have come to learn bit about these consoles and what makes them tick, and what kills them. So...you really think combining two chips into one reduces stress and increases longevity? That is a very flawed assumption. Consider two cases. Jasper 360 and Valhalla 360. Jasper 360 has two chips (CPU and GPU) Valhalla 360 has once chip combining both CPU and GPU...we will call this a Harmonized Processing Unit for fun and simplicity (HPU) So I have a friend who bought a new Valhalla 360 and I asked him to bring it over to my house for a bit of experimentation. We stole some hightech thermometers from the lab at school and we decided to compared my Jasper 360 to his Xbox 360 slim. These were the results Jasper 360 CPU Heatsink temperature: 52 degrees C Valhalla 360 Heatsink Temperature 50 degrees C So the Valhalla looks like it produces less heat at 50 degrees as opposed to the CPU/GPU both only going at 52 C. So on paper the Valhalla 360 is better temperature wise. But remember...this is science...not magic. These chips have electricity and shit flowing through them, stress kills! consider this analogy Assume you have a single road (road 1) with 500 cars on it at a time. and a separate set of two roads (road 2), with 250 cars on each subsequent road. Which road set will degrade faster? If you said the road with 500 cars, you would be correct. Now, put this into perspective. The HPU combines two chips, and thus combines the amount of stress needed to operate, as opposed to two equally well designed chips, splitting the workload. When you look at the fundamentals, a single chip design is flawed. Although you get a slight reduction on heat on the Valhalla 360, you double the amount of stress the chip is under, increasing the chance of hardware failure. As opposed to the Jasper 360 which might produce a total of 4 degreees more direct temeperature (and quite a bit more ambiant temperature, which can be managed by the fan) it doesn't alter the fact that the standard operating temperature for a normal CPU or GPU is 60 degrees. So you can go with proven, less stressful technology with the Jaspers Or you can go with untested, fault, flawed technology with the Valhallas

[Atomicassasin12]

So what you are saying is that despite the fact that the Valhalla has a combined CPU and GPU and runs slightly cooler, it uses more electricity. I would think that combining the two would decrease the amount of electricity, due to the fact that the CPU and GPU no longer have to use a bunch of connections to communicate. Also, your analogy is a bit incorrect. the CPU and the GPU are not the same thing, so I do not know why you would think of them as identical objects. Think of the CPU and GPU being connected by a long road and a CPU and GPU being in the same building, which is more efficient? Next time, take off the heatsink and measure the temperatures of the CPU and GPU of the Jasper, and the CPU/GPU of the Valhalla.